For many, if not most, Americans an electric bike complements a car. One is used for recreation and the other for practical transportation. Which role each plays, however, could be changing, and there are at least five reasons that an electric bike may be a better choice for commuting and transportation. Let’s be clear. A bicycle or electric bike won’t make sense for every commute everywhere. If you have to go from Livermore, California to San Jose, the 35-mile trip would take about two hours on an electric bike. While that ride would be a lot more pleasant than fighting traffic on Interstate 680, you could make the drive in about half the time.

Your E-bike Can Be Fast

A car is not always faster or more reliable than an electric bike for commuting. Imagine you live in Pittsburgh’s Squirrel Hill neighborhood. It’s a good place. Lot’s of folks would be happy to be where you are. Work, however, is at the Gateway Center right next to Point State Park at the confluence of the Monongahela and Allegheny rivers about six miles away. On an electric bike, your trip might take 20 minutes (it would be almost all downhill on the way to work as you drop 417 feet in elevation). For a significant portion of the commute, you would be on the Three Rivers Heritage Trail, which is protected from automobile traffic, and a pretty awesome way to see some of the city (and lots of parking lots).
Three Rivers Heritage Trail runs next to Interstate 375 for much of your route. The trail is generally protected from automobile traffic. It is clear and fast almost year around.
  The drive would take around 13 minutes on your way to work and 19 minutes on the way home, according to data from Uber Movement for trips taken from June 1 to August 31, 2018. Uber, the ride-sharing folks, have released anonymized trip data for several cities, including Pittsburgh. This data shows the average automobile travel time between locations. In the case of our example that the average travel time for your route with be 15 minutes with things going a bit better in the morning and a bit worse during the peak afternoon commute.
Uber Movement data provides travel times in several cities, including Pittsburgh.
  Thus, the difference between riding an electric bike to work and taking a car is a matter of a few minutes. In fact, during the peak afternoon commute, it could be a matter of one minute. Your personal commute will, of course, be different than this example in Pittsburgh, but it should serve to demonstrate that it is at least possible that your commute can be just as fast on an electric bike as it is in a car. What's more, Interstate 375 has had the odd accident and closure which would suddenly wreck an automobile commute. The route you would take on an electric bike is more reliable.

You Don’t Have to Park

Let’s continue with our Pittsburgh example. As you ride up to the Gateway Center on your e-bike you won’t have to worry about parking a car. Depending on your company’s policies, you might be able to wheel your bike directly into your office. Worst case, you lock it up outside. That will never work for your car. In fact, parking a car anywhere near the Gateway Center can be both difficult and expensive. Many of the locals actually park across the river next to Heinz Field (where the Steelers play) and walk back to downtown over the Fort Duquesne Bridge. This maneuver will cost you about five more minutes in drive time and about 15 minutes of walking. Meaning that the total commute time just about doubled if you drove.

An Electric Bike is Better for Your Health

Riding an electric bike can produce a number of significant health benefits. Pedaling just a few miles a day as you commute to work may be able to help you lose unwanted weight, improve your heart health, boost your immune system, and stave off type-2 diabetes. What’s more, if you go to the gym just to walk on a treadmill or swing your feet on an elliptical machine, you might be able to drop the gym membership and get just as much exercise on your bike. In contrast, driving a car to work does not contribute at all to your physical health. It actually harms you. Time magazine reported that commuting to work by car will raise your blood sugar, make your cholesterol relatively higher, and increase both anxiety and depression.

You’ll Save a Lot of Money

Driving an automobile in American costs at least 50 cents per mile. In fact, “the AAA’s 2018 report found that a typical American household driving about 15,000 per year would spend 58.99 cents per mile for every mile driven. That works out to be $8,848.50 a year to drive a car to work, to the grocery store, and to your child’s afternoon soccer practice.” This figure from the AAA doesn’t take into account things like paying to park your car in downtown Pittsburgh or really anywhere. If you have to pay to park, pay tolls, or pay a commuting fee, driving to work is even more expensive. When you consider just how much an automobile costs to own and operate, spending a few thousand dollars on an electric bike seems like a real deal.

Commuting to Work is Fun

Most of the items on this list have been objective. For example, the time it takes to commute from Squirrel Hill to the Gateway Center can be measured. The parking situation in downtown Pittsburgh or in any town can be tested. The health benefits of bicycling are well documented, and it is a real thing that cars are expensive to operate. But our final item is subjective. It is dependent on your attitude toward riding an electric bike. Simply put if you enjoy bicycling, riding an e-bike to work is probably going to be a lot more fun than sitting in a car in bumper-to-bumper traffic. If you want to learn more about electric bikes, you should check out The Complete Electric Bike’s Buyer’s Guide.
If you were thinking of giving your dad a tie, slippers, or a coffee mug for Father’s Day, you should stop reading. This article is not for you. Rather this is a list of incredible Father’s Day gift ideas that will not only wow your dad but also ensure your position as his favorite child. Assuming that money and time are not an issue. Here are the five things you should get your dad for Father's Day 2019.

Rivian R1S Electric SUV

The R1S is an amazing electric SUV. This yet-to-be-produced electric SUV goes from zero to 60 miles per hour in three seconds. That makes the R1S faster off of the line than a 2019 Corvette Stingray. The SUV has a 400-mile range (with the large battery), and, with an electric motor at each wheel, it puts out a combined 756 horsepower. Although the first Rivian SUVs won’t be produced until 2020, you can pre-order one now with a $1,000 deposit. Expect to pay a final price of $72,000 to $90,000 depending on the battery and options you select. Autotrader has a nice “First Look” article about the Rivian R1S if you want more information.

TDA Global Cycling Via Italia Tour

Recently, Henry Gold, the founder of TDA Global Cycling, was a guest on The Electric Bike Podcast from EVELO. In the podcast, we learned how Gold became interested in extreme bicycling touring, and, frankly, listening to it activates your adventure gene. For Father’s Day 2019, give dad the TDA Global Cycling Via Italia tour. The tour starts on September 14, 2019, and lasts for 39 days and nights. All told, your dad will cycle more than 1,500 miles. An amazing photo of Italy.   “It has been said that all roads lead to Rome and the Viva Italia cycling tour is simply more proof that this may indeed be the case. Participants will spin out of the Vatican City’s extraordinary St. Peter’s Square only to pedal up to Rome’s fabled Colosseum just over 5 weeks, 2,345 km and 3 islands later. During that time they can enjoy a refreshing aperitivo, perhaps a Campari and Soda in Siena’s magnificent Piazza del Campo. On their rest days in Florence, they can stroll through the priceless collection of Renaissance art in Florence’s Uffizi Gallery and climb the dome of Brunelleschi’s Duomo. They will ride through some of Tuscany and Italy’s greatest vineyards, likely stopping for a glass or two of Chianti or Montepulciano along the way. The Viva Italia cyclists will taste the freshest of seafood in historic Livorno and have a chance to visit the unforgettable Leaning Tower of Pisa.” Getting dad the tour will cost about $10,700, plus airfare from his place to Rome, Italy. You might want to consider getting a second seat on the tour for yourself or, perhaps, your mom since dad will probably want a travel companion.

2020 Superbowl Tickets

A picture of a football in grass. Photo by Ben Hershey. If your dad is an NFL fan, you should get him tickets to the 2020 Superbowl in Miami, Florida. The game will be played on February 2, 2020, but tickets are available now from NFL On Location Experiences. You can put dad on the 50-yard line in what is called The 72 Club for $22,500 per ticket. You should also factor in airfare, hotel, and dining in Miami, so why not budget $25,000 per person. Send three of his best buddies with him for $100,000.

EVELO Delta X Electric Bike

The amazing Delta X mid-drive electric bike. The EVELO Delta X Electric Bike is the SUV of the ebikes. Thanks to a 750W mid-drive motor and an Enviolo transmission, the Delta X has the raw power you often only find in high-end electric mountain bikes. To this EVELO adds a durable cargo rack, full fenders, lights, and wide Schwalbe 27.5 x 2.80 Super Moto-X tires. Your dad will feel comfortable taking the Delta X off-roading on local trails or riding it to work as a regular commuter bike. The Delta X is $3,999. To it, you will want to add a top rack pannier bag and a quick lock. Finally, you may want to spring for a second bike for mom or yourself so that dad has a riding partner.

JURA GIGA 5 Automatic Coffee Machine

A picture of the Jura giga 5. The Jura Giga 5 is a completely automatic espresso and coffee maker. At the push of a button, this coffee robot makes 17 different specialty coffee drinks, including espressos, cappuccinos, lattes, and macchiatos. It has two coffee bean hoppers and two ceramic grinders built in. It is very easy to maintain, and as mentioned above it automatically makes amazing coffee beverages. It is the functional equivalent of hiring a barista to live in your dad’s kitchen. Expect to pay about $5,000 for this Jura.
Comparing a hub-drive and mid-drive electric bike? You’ll want to consider power, performance, and price. Because when it comes down to it, these are the differences that really matter. How your electric bike is propelled has a significant impact on its ability to climb hills, on how it feels to ride (what we’re calling performance), and on how much it costs. Here is what you should consider.

Hub-drive vs. Mid-drive: Power

A hub-drive electric bike motor (sometimes called simply a hub motor) is situated in a bike’s rear hub — thus its name. These rear hub motors “push” the bike forward, spinning the wheel in accordance with a controller and a cadence sensor or torque sensor. In contrast, mid-drive motors power the bike’s drivetrain directly at the crankset. So, a mid-drive motor will work in tight coordination with the bike’s gears, amplifying the mechanical advantage they provide. This becomes particularly helpful for climbing steep hills or navigating extended inclines. On these types of terrain, mid-drive motors can leverage the gears and keep the bike’s revolutions per minute (RPMs) in an efficient range without getting bogged down.
Detail of a mid-drive e-bike The mid-drive motor on this electric bike works with the bicycle's gears to propel the e-bike forward in a natural and powerful way.
  Given two electric motors of the same wattage, 750W continuous as an example, the mid-drive electric bike motor will likely provide more torque and more power than the hub-drive electric bike motor will.

Hub-drive vs. Mid-drive: Performance

For our context, we are going to describe e-bike performance as how it feels to ride. Hub-drive electric bike motors feel like they have a lot of pep or liveliness. While this is not an indication of actual performance, the sensation is real. In this way, they are similar to a rear-wheel drive car or, as some riders have said, riding a Bird or Lime electric scooter. Frankly, the ride can be fun or even thrilling. That’s a big plus for hub-drive motors.
Hub-drive electric bike A hub-drive electric bike can be a fun, value-priced option.
However, placing a relatively heavy motor right in the middle of the wheel makes hub-drive e-bikes a bit harder to keep balanced than a conventional bicycle or a mid-drive electric bike. Mid-drive electric bikes feel like bicycles. The power that the motor provides is channeled through the bike’s drivetrain, so a rider might not notice the power as much as he or she would on a hub-drive e-bike. Instead, a mid-drive bike will simply go fast and climb hills with ease. It is also worth noting that a mid-drive motor tends to “ramp up” more smoothly, giving it a natural feel and protecting the bike’s drivetrain. Mid-drive motors position all of the additional weight at the center of the bike, so they can feel more balanced than a hub-drive e-bike will.

Hub-drive vs. Mid-drive: Price

Hub-drive electric bikes cost significantly less than mid-drive electric bikes. There are a number of reasons for this, including design, manufacturability, and the technology itself. For example, a hub-drive motor can be added to just about any bicycle frame while a mid-drive motor must be integrated, so the frame is always custom designed for that particular motor. What’s more, mid-drive motors are a newer technology which can make them more expensive than a hub-drive motor.

Hub-drive vs. Mid-drive: You Decide

Like so many things, choosing between a hub-drive and mid-drive electric bike requires you to weigh the options and pick the best one for your particular riding situation. For example, if you live in an area with many hills or if you are a heavier rider, you might want to pay a bit more for a mid-drive e-bike’s superior climbing ability. If you live someplace relatively flat, why not save a little money and get the fun-to-ride hub-drive. If you still have questions, contact us. EVELO’s sales and support teams are available every day at 877-991-7272 or online.
Electric bikes are part of a new mobility movement wherein recreational riders and commuters can use their bikes not just for fun, but also to drive less and get around better. Percy Chien is the executive director of Fairly Bike Manufacturing Company, a high-quality contract manufacturer that has built bicycles and electric bikes for leading brands all over the world. In this episode of The Electric Bike Podcast from EVELO, Percy talks about how the mobility movement contributes to growth in the electric bike market and about bicycle and electric bike manufacturing generally. You'll learn why Asia is the hub for bicycle and e-bike manufacturing, and how the Trump Administration’s tariffs on bicycles and electric bikes may be impacting manufacturing. You can listen to the podcast and follow along with the transcript below. Our host, Armando, had recently visited San Antonio, where he rode electric scooters all over town.


Armando: Unless you're from there, when you think of San Antonio, Texas, you probably remember the Alamo or see visions of cowboys in the Wild West. But San Antonio, Texas is one of the most populous cities in America, with about a million and a half people and, perhaps, as many electric scooters and bikes scattered around town. It's not at all uncommon for folks to ride from the River Walk to the Pearl District on an electric scooter or bike, or just commute from home to work or school. San Antonio is not unique in this regard. Many cities around the world are experiencing a surge in the use of electric vehicles including scooters and bikes, and this is true be it, Boise, Idaho or Santa Monica, California. The surge in demand for electric scooters and bikes is going to be the starting point for this episode of The Electric Bike Podcast from EVELO. My name is Armando Roggio. Shall we get started?

Electric Bike Trends

Armando: Our guest, Percy Chien, is an expert in the electric bike market, so I asked him about the trends he saw for e-bikes. Percy: This is a very interesting question because I tried to rehearse in my brain, in my mind, if you ever asked me this question, how would I answer? I think I can probably answer from the point of view of micro-mobility because this is not about sports any longer. This is about everybody. There are different purposes for using an e-bike or electric vehicles, whatever you want to define it. We look at Santa Monica. We look at the Westwood area in California. There are so many Lyfts. There are so many Jump Bikes. There are so many Birds and there are so many Limes. Every product represents a very, very tiny little definition of a person's need to go from A to B. Armando: There is a sense in which the need for basic, efficient transportation is leading folks towards light electric vehicles, and even in the face of some problems, commuters and recreational riders still want micro-mobility. Percy: Even though we know that right now the injury rate has hiked, people don't seem to mind at all using the scooters. With electric scooters in many, many places, this seems to be a well-accepted means of transportation. What is the big difference between mini scooters and bicycles? Only pedals and the sizes, nothing else. By adding bigger wheels, by adding a pedal and a seat, then you make a mini scooter a bicycle. Then if you add stronger engine with a strengthened frame, much faster speed. Then this will become an electric motorcycle. In the way these products are linked and also separated, supplying different forms of transportation to different consumers and satisfying what they need in their daily lives. Yes, there are electric bicycles that can be a very nice toy, let's say, for the mountain bikers. Perhaps even an electric mountain biker, that probably never rode a bike before. They could use an electric mountain bike to go and explore the beauty of nature. On the other hand, there are also people who need to go one mile from where they live to where they work or go to school. That one mile, it takes a while to walk so it will be faster to ride an electric bike or a scooter to go to the places where they need to be. I think this market will be diversified, but this market would not end anytime soon. This will continue for a very, very long time. That's why Jump is there. That's why Bird is there. That's why Lyft is there. There seems to be enough money flowing around to support those companies, either you call that a venture or you call that an experiment. Armando: Percy's insights about micro-mobility and the electric bike market should probably be heeded since he is the executive director of Fairly Bike Manufacturing Company, a high-quality contract manufacturer that has built bicycles and electric bikes for leading brands all over the world.

A Family in the Bicycle Business

Percy: Fairly Bike was established in 1977. Armando: Although Fairly Bike is a large, internationally recognized enterprise, it started as a family business. Percy: My dad is actually the first generation of this company, but as far as the bicycle industry goes, my dad was the second generation. My grandfather had the factory in the 1940s and 50s, where at the end of the day a fire took the life of the business. Then my dad started this company in 1977. This is the 42nd year. Yeah, it's quite a history because now basically we're talking about the company history coinciding with the history of the contemporary bicycle industry. You can find every single bit of company history linking together with a certain type of bicycle's development. Now in the next 10 years or so, if I have enough time to start collecting some of the old stuff that we made and then I will see if we can fill a museum. Bicycle Industry Milestones Armando: I asked Percy to speak about some of the bicycle industry milestones that Fairly Bike participated in. Percy: In the beginning, let's say, 1977 to the early 80s, we were basically producing very basic ten-speed bikes. Then in the early 80s, there was a big boom of mountain biking. We started making some mountain bikes for, let's say, Fuji brand or even earlier, the Japanese brands, but then Diamondback came out. It was the very, very interesting time when their company grew from basically one container or two to a multimillion dollar company. It was quite a bit of history on mountain biking. As you know, when mountain biking was really hot and BMXs were very hot, we were the first company who actually helped the brands in the States to develop products and make those products very successful. This is something that we're proud of. Then after mountain biking when the whole industry was not so clear about what is next, we started with Lee Iacocca in 1997 with the first e-bike. That was called eBike by EV Global. Then from 1997 until now, it's already, what, 20 years? This is also quite a development for the e-bike market. We are happy that we were part of this successful time. We're part of the start of the e-bike industry and really every category of products when they were young when they were on the drawing tables, we were part of that. Then we brought or we helped our clients to bring the product up to a certain extent when they became popular. Then we moved on to the next one. That's quite an interesting history. I myself was only involved with the company since 1993 so this is my 26th year with the company.

Are Electric Bikes a Fad?

Armando: Fairly has obviously manufactured for many high-quality bike brands. Your company has even helped those brands to innovate. You've seen trends come and go. Do you think electric bikes as a category have staying power? Percy: Personally, if I didn't believe in e-bikes, I wouldn't have stuck with it for 20 years. In 1997, I think the bicycle industry was facing a dilemma. What happens next. What's going on and what is our next replacement to the bicycles at that time? We believed by looking at the Japanese market at the moment, we believed that e-bikes would eventually be a very, very promising alternative to just the regular bicycles. At that moment, even until now, the entire bicycle industry focuses on individual sports. We're talking about the dealership, what they sell on a daily basis. Those are one way or the other connected to some type of sport, either BMX or even trekking bikes, city bikes. They are pretty sporty if you look at the models that they are selling in the bike shops. Armando: The focus on bikes for sports and exercise may be shifting. Percy: On the other hand, the bicycle industry will or has been facing quite a bit of difficulty in terms of getting people outdoors to do sports, but people do need to get around one way or the other.

Electric Bikes as Transportation

Armando: The need to get around brought us back around to the idea of mobility. Percy: Let's say in Europe where the cities are very close to each other, those cities are not huge, but they are somewhat congested. Bicycles become a very good alternative to public transportation because at the end of the day, not all public transportation can take you to the last mile. Some people need to walk two miles or a mile or even three miles. A bicycle, an e-bike, would be a very, very good option for those people.

Fairly Bike Builds Quality

Armando: Percy believed a significant portion of the electric bike market in the future could be focused on mobility in addition to recreation. This made me wonder if, given Fairly Bike's solid reputation, more brands were approaching him to manufacture electric bikes for them. Percy: There are many approaches that we have received in the last 10 years. Not every single one of them would be able to fit in or, let's say, we don't fit into their equation. Number one is the price point, the type of design and also the manufacturability. They affect how and whether we can actually help them to manufacture. Some brands are just too inexpensive. I wouldn't say cheap, but inexpensive. That means the material selections, the functionality, the lifespan of the product itself, they are all in question. We don't really fit into all of the companies that actually approach us and ask for manufacturing or development, but there are some companies that sell electric bicycles in a very high-end approach to good quality, fun to ride, e-bikes. Those types of companies, we work with them really well. Armando: I'm just going to sum that up and say that Fairly manufacturers very high-quality bikes. Percy: That would be a very good statement, I would think. Armando: What do you believe are the most important components or maybe the best measures of electric bike quality? Percy: Number one, I think because it's an electric bike, by definition, we need a very good battery. We need a very good motor. Without those two, an electric bike would not be defined as an electric bike. Armando: Beyond the motor and the battery, the bicycle should be designed to handle the additional weight and power. Percy: As you know, there are kits that you can buy aftermarket that you can fit into your ordinary bicycles. I'm not saying that those are not good quality. You can definitely find expensive kits that you can actually build into your bicycle to make your bicycle as an e-bike, and they're still fun to ride, but remember bicycles are not built to carry such a heavy load after the conversion. Armando: In contrast, purpose-built electric bikes are designed to go faster and carry a heavy battery. Percy: When we start from scratch saying, what is a very, very good electric bike, we, number one, need to have a robust motor. We also have to have a robust battery that can actually juice up the motor to perform to how it's supposed to perform by definition. These definitions are different in the world. I take Europe as an example. A regular pedelec is defined as 25 kilometer per hour speed with a 250 watts motor, and you have to pedal, but with the same token, this is too low in terms of selling bicycles to North America, the United States for example. CPSC (Consumer Product Safety Commission) defines bicycles not the same way as what the federal government would define them. If you go to DOT...This is a part of history also. In the beginning, in 1997, when we started with Lee Iacocca, he was actually the person who went to DOT and got them to notice that there was something like the electric bike coming in. Back then there was no e-bike regulation. CPSC didn't know about electric bikes and they had no intention of redefining what actually it was. DOT didn't really want to touch it. At the end of the day, I think one year afterwards, maybe in 1998 or 99 at most, they decided, okay, everything that's under 20 miles per hour with a one horsepower motor is not under DOT. This will go belong CPSC. CPSC had to take it because DOT said so. From then on in the US, e-bikes were under 20 miles per hour, under one horsepower, which is a 750 watt electric motor and you don't have to pedal. You could use a throttle. You could also use throttle together with the pedal assist. That's how liberal the US definition was back then. In contrast of what we define right now in three classes in California, which is now going throughout the entire country, I don't know, maybe 20 states now that have, or maybe 21 states have defined the three class electric bicycles. The remaining states, eventually they will follow. That's the way I see it.

Manufacturing in Asia

Armando: Percy, let's change the focus from electric bike classification laws back to manufacturing. Why are so many, really all, electric bikes manufactured in Asia? Percy: Let's say, electric bicycles are bicycles by nature. They are bicycles with strengthened design and engineering. Then you add the motor and you add the battery. Whether you do integration or you don't do integration, its nature is a bicycle. In the past 20 years, whether it's Taiwan or China, Cambodia or Vietnam, these places are essentially the heart of the bicycle supply. The component, the suppliers, materials, they are all in the neighborhood. It would naturally become a very, very essential part of where we want to build bicycles. Asia, where else? I mean if we sit in the US...I personally have a place in Thousand Oaks, California. If I sit there, I put the office together and say, okay, today I'm going to start building a bike. Where do I go first? I need to go to Japan, to Shimano. I need to go to Chicago to but the supply is also from Asia, from Taiwan. Their factory is located in Taichung City. If I want to buy wheels, tires, pretty much 99.9% of the components, you can only find them in Asia. What else are you going to think? Of course, naturally, you go there. The US as a market, Europe as a market, they are very good in terms of designing the nature of the products they want to sell in retail because they are connected directly with the market, but in terms of manufacturing, they are really not built for a quick reaction, quick sourcing. The material flow is very difficult. That's the way I see it, why everybody goes to Asia for electric bikes manufacturing or bicycle manufacturing.

Taiwan, China, Cambodia, or Vietnam

Armando: You mentioned four nations as hubs, if you will, for the bicycle manufacturing industry. Can you compare and contrast these? Percy: Quality level. Taiwan started first in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, replacing Japan as a very natural resource to take over the Japanese supply because Japan got too expensive. After 20 years of manufacturing in Taiwan, it was very natural that the component makers, the sourcing managers, material makers, they would find a way, always find a way, to try to manufacture less expensively. They would go next to China. I think maybe, if I remember correctly, 1993, 94, Giant, let's say, Shimano. They started their first Chinese factories in the Shanghai area. Of course, the other component makers followed, scattered in different cities around China. Some of them went to the Shanghai area or somewhere close to Hong Kong, but the political situation limited the possibility of the widespread of moves to China. Then the European Union anti-dumping measure came against the Chinese bicycle manufacturing. Then these manufacturers, they found a way to go to Vietnam and then continue their vision of manufacturing inexpensively, but at that time, I think the market has already bisected, if not trisected to a different level of quality required. The cheaper ones that were required in the marketplace would naturally go to China or Vietnam. After the dumping of the Chinese bikes to the European Union then Europe was probably looking at Vietnam as a source of export. Cambodia came along because at the border it was conveniently located to supply to Vietnamese companies or to export to the European Union since Europe provided them with a GSP, which is a preferential duty. They have an advantageous situation compared to other manufacturers, let's say, in Taiwan or China. But on the other hand that also changed the supply paradigm. The cheaper bicycles were manufactured and supplied to the United States from China, while Taiwan became a major supplier for mid-to-higher end specialized bicycles. Armando: In some sense, it was politics and anti-dumping measures that segmented the market, both along cost and quality. Percy: That's how the supply markets were segregated in terms of their different advantages, their current functionality, and different price points.

U.S. Tariffs

Armando: Given the trade climate at the moment, it would be difficult to have a conversation about Asian manufacturing, and especially Chinese manufacturing, without talking about the U.S. tariffs. Would you discuss this? Percy: Mr. Trump decided one day that he wanted to post tariffs against the Chinese made products. Personally, if I wear my hat as a U.S. citizen, I would totally agree with what he had done. As a trader and manufacturer, it puts everybody in a very, very difficult position because you don't know what to expect next. What I'm saying, not knowing exactly what to expect, that means we don't know exactly when the tariff will be lifted or if it will be continued. We don't know how severe the result will be in terms of the trade talks with China. Are the U.S. and China going to settle one way or the other or are they going to go into a higher level of trade war? I have no idea. That makes everything very difficult, but I know the fact that the importers, now on the electric bikes, they have to either pay 25 percent tariff or they have to go somewhere else to manufacture. Because the quantity wasn't very significant, so far everybody was able to find a remedy for it, for their own situation, but if the market becomes bigger, there will have to be a way to supply enough to the U.S. market. That's the way I see it and I'm pretty sure it's going to happen the way I see it. Armando: Do you believe the tariffs will cause some brands to move their manufacturing to Taiwan? Percy: Not necessarily, because some of the electric bike importers, number one, they don't know about electric bikes. They don't know the details of the technology. They don't want to invest money into R&D. They would just go to the show in China. They would say, "today is the first day of Shanghai show," so that if I were an ordinary buyer that would buy a container or two a year and try to sell to the consumers, I would just go to Shanghai and I spend two days there. I look at the bicycles and I go to the vendors and I say, "I want to buy one container or two containers of this. Now, what would the price be?" These are the people who are, I would call them opportunists. By no means, I'm looking them down. I just saying that they grasp the opportunity to sell without long-term planning. Armando: Opportunistic companies that focus more on short term might simply buy ready-made bikes from China and pay the tariff, but established brands might do things differently. Percy: They would sit down and then they would plan on defining their own market, what level bicycles they would bring in and what are the target consumers they go after. Some of the companies that are in the marketplace at this moment, that everybody knows, are the later ones, not the first ones. The first ones are here. They come and they go. These people will not buy anything from Taiwan because the prices do not match what they are looking for, but the second type of brand would definitely be more in favor of buying from Taiwan because the quality levels are more stable and more up to the consumer’s, I would say maybe, taste or the consumer's expectation, if you will. Armando: I really learned a lot speaking with Percy Chien. He got me to think about micromobility and the dynamic electric bike manufacturing industry. I hope you learned something too in this episode of The Electric Bike Podcast from EVELO. EVELO was one of the original American electric bike brands, and we really care about the industry and our customers. If you want to learn more about electric bikes, please subscribe to this podcast and check out The Complete Electric Bike Buyer’s Guide. Thank you.
Google Maps is among the best, free online mapping solutions, and it can be a good tool for planning recreational bike rides or commutes. Whether you’re taking a leisurely ride around town, commuting to work or school, or even getting some serious exercise, riding an electric bike is fun and fast. But riding an electric bike is not the same as driving. You don’t necessarily want to use the same roads and you may not be interested in the shortest route. What’s more, riding in unfamiliar places can put you right in the middle of heavy traffic or even get you lost. Here is a scenario. Imagine you are taking an RV trip. You find yourself in Boise, Idaho. You park. And now you want to explore the city on your electric bike. But you don’t know Chindin Boulevard from South Americana. So you could easily end up and Garden City instead of Ann Morrison Park. One solution is to plan your bike route with Google Maps.

Plan Your Bike Ride

Let’s plan a bike route on Google Maps using a laptop or desktop computer. In the end, we will share the directions to a mobile phone.

Set Your Starting Point

Using your favorite web browser, navigate to Google Maps. The first step is to set your starting point. The example uses the Grove Hotel in downtown, Boise, Idaho, but you will enter your address or maybe the spot your RV is parked, etc.
Type the address or name of your starting point into the search field on Google Maps.

Set Waypoints

The bike route will be a round trip, but you will certainly want to see some places along the way, so let’s enter a couple of waypoints. These waypoints will also help us plan the bicycle route. Click the directions icon. This icon is positioned just a little way down from the search bar wherein you entered your starting address.
The directions icon opens up the route planning features in Google Maps.
  The Google Maps interface will change. You need to do three things. (1) To start, choose the cycling mode for the map.
Click the cycling mode icon.
  (2) Then switch the position of your starting point so that it is at the top. To do this, click the up-and-down arrow icon.
Click the up-and-down arrow icon to reposition the starting point. You can move waypoints too.
  This will move your starting location to the top of the list.
Your starting position should now be at the top of the list.
  (3) Next, type in the address or name of a new waypoint. You can add several waypoints by clicking the “Add Destination” icon or link. The example includes five waypoints. The last waypoint is the starting point. Thus, we have a loop.
Add waypoints to create a loop.

Switch to the Bicycling Map View

Google Maps includes a bicycling view that will add cycling-specific information to the main map. To access this view, first, click on the menu icon.
Click this menu icon to open up some of Google Maps' features.
  Next, click on the word “bicycling” to add the aforementioned bicycling information to the main map.
Not surprisingly, selecting bicycling adds biking information.
  This will fundamentally change the map. You should now see bike-friendly roads, bike lanes, and trails.
Google maps provides helpful information for riding your electric bike.

Adjust Your Route

Now you can adjust your route. Click and hold any portion of the route to drag it onto a trail or a more bike-friendly road.
Click, hold, and drag to change your route.
  As you change your route, Google will recalculate the total distance and the amount of elevation change. If you’re riding an electric bike, you will be able to climb the hills like they are not even there.
Google Maps shows you the total distance for your route and how much the elevation will change.

Send the Route to Your Mobile

Once you have a route you like, you can send it to your mobile phone.
Send the route to your phone.
  If you are signed into Google on your mobile and on your computer, Google Maps should have your phone available on a list of options. If not, you can email a link to yourself and open that link on your mobile. You could also create a similar route directly in the Google Maps app on your mobile. The steps are the same.
Baby boomers can have fun, improve their fitness, and create or strengthen friendships with bicycling. And riding an electric bike makes getting back into bicycling even easier. Here are five tips to help you get back into riding a bike.

Tip No. 1: Decide to Ride

You’re online reading an article about how to get back into biking, so odds are good you are “thinking about” riding again. Now stop thinking and decide. “Decision is the ultimate power,” according to motivational expert Tony Robbins. “Making a decision puts you in control.” Once you have committed to biking for fun, fitness, and friendship, nothing will stop you.

Tip No. 2: Get the Right Bike

Riding a bike, particularly an e-bike, is going to be a great source of pleasure. It should be easy on joints, flexible in intensity, and a significant benefit to your health and wellbeing. But many of these benefits can go south in a hurry if you don’t have the proper bike, set up in the right way. So take the time to find a bicycle that fits you and the sort of riding you’ve decided to do. If you have knee pain, try moving your seat up. If you have neck or back pain, try a more upright handlebar position. Here are some resources.

Tip No. 3: Find a Riding Companion

“Now if you think about being on a traditional bicycle, you’re like ‘hey honey, let’s go for a bike ride,’” said EVELO’s Bill Cummings. “Naturally, one person is stronger and faster than the other and typically it turns into this situation where somebody is three blocks ahead going ‘ah, hurry up.’ The other person is behind going ‘I feel bad and would you slow down.’ Then they finally meet up and then there’s maybe a little bit of conflict and that romanticized view of a bike ride together suddenly turns into a conversation and nobody’s having any fun. “That changes on an electric bike. You could choose, one person could use the motor less, one person can use the motor more and suddenly you’re rolling down the beach together going look at the beautiful sunset. It really is transformational and it becomes that idealistic view of a bike ride together that we all think of when you head out.”
One of the joys of bicycling is the opportunity to ride with friends and family.
Bill was speaking specifically about riding as a couple, but some of the same things apply for riding with friends or family members. For example, imagine trying to ride with an 11-year-old grandson. He is likely to want to ride fast and tackle some serious hills. Electric bikes balance out the differences in riding ability and let you really enjoy riding with friends and family. In turn, riding with friends and family will help to motivate you as you get back into bicycling again. Your goal then is to find a riding companion. This might be your spouse or partner. A relative could be a great riding partner. You could recruit a friend from work. Or maybe join a local bicycling club.

Tip No. 4: Find a Good Place to Ride

Bicycling in heavy traffic in the United States is, frankly, not terribly safe. The U.S. sometimes lacks good bicycle infrastructure, and while this is changing significantly, you want to be mindful when you plan your rides. This is especially true when you’re just getting back into bicycling.

Tip No 5: Track Your Progress

Few things feel as good as success. So as you get back into riding, track and monitor your progress. The aim is not to start out as a great distance cyclist, but rather to get just a little better every week. The good news is that there are plenty of apps available to help you. Here are a few to consider.
Riding an electric bike is fun. It reminds you of when you were young and you patrolled the streets and roads in your home town. This week, Pete Prebus, the founder of the Electric Bike Report joined EVELO to talk about electric bikes. Turns out they are fun for him too. You can listen to the podcast and follow along with the transcript below.

Riding a Bike is Fun

Armando: Just this week in my own neighborhood there were two teenage boys, young men really, riding down to the community park on electric bikes. So, I asked them what they thought of their rides and they said simply, "They're fun." Fun is going to be the starting point for this episode of The Electric Bike Podcast from EVELO. My name is Armando Roggio, shall we get started? You know, while we all have our reasons for riding an e-bike, or being interested in electric bikes, fun is definitely a factor and that was even the case for our guest Pete Prebus. Pete: You know, from early ages on I was just riding bikes for fun with my friends around Eugene, Oregon. Armando: The pleasure we associate with riding often deepens our interest in bicycling so much so that it can impact the choices we make. Even something as simple as how we get around town or stay healthy. Pete: I went on to work in a bike shop at 13-years-old and then I was racing traditional bikes, or mountain bikes and road bikes, quite a bit. And, I actually worked into the professional realm for cross-country mountain bike racing for a couple of years and that was really fun and rewarding. And then, after I finished going to Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff, I graduated with a civil engineering degree, and went and worked in general, civil, and structural engineering for a while. And then, I had this pull to get back into the bicycle realm and I wasn't racing anymore, but I was still very much excited about just riding my bike as much as possible. So, I'd go out on these long mountain bike rides and I'd come back and just be spent, and then I would jump into the car to go get groceries and go around town, and I just thought, "Man, that just doesn't really make sense." I really want to have a bicycle where I can easily get around town and have the easy button much like a car is where you can just get in and go and it's very convenient.

Getting Started with Electric Bikes

Armando: Pete Prebus is, of course, the founder of the Electric Bike Report, one of the most influential electric bike publications in North America. Now, during a phone conversation, after we'd exchanged some pleasantries about our common connections to the Pacific Northwest, Arizona, and podcasts, I asked Pete about how he got started in the electric bike industry. Pete: What about if I got a cargo bike that also had electric assist, because then I could go get groceries, and I could run errands around town, and with the electric assist then it would really lower that barrier to getting out on my bike compared to just jumping in the car. So, I started researching it and I found a little kit that I installed on a cargo bike conversion that I did and, yeah, it really was a proof-of-concept to say like, "Wow, this, for me, personally, had a lot of benefits," because I could really commute around town and the distance I could commute really opened up. And so, it was a really nice way to have the car alternative at that point. And so, that year, that was 2009, and then by 2010, I'd started Electric Bike Report as a website to give people some easily digestible information, because back then there really weren't a whole lot of electric bike websites. There were some forums that were focused on very technical aspects of electric bikes, but there wasn't really a very easily readable news source for the industry. And so, I started just posting some simple blog posts about things that I was seeing just doing internet searches and then that year I went to Interbike, which is the large bicycle trade show, or was actually because this year it's not happening. But, it was the large, North American trade show convention where everybody shows off the new bikes. And so, I went there and it was inspiring to see that there was a number of electric bike companies presenting there. And, it was a small showing, but it was something. And so, I was able to cover that and I was still working my engineering job full-time, but just doing this on the side. Then later, after that, after covering Interbike and doing some initial reviews of bikes, and continuing to share the news, and stories of how people are using electric bikes it started to gain some traction. And so, I was becoming more and more excited, especially what was happening in Europe, with all the systems that were being developed there, all the different bike brands. It was just amazing. And, there was still very little happening here. It was definitely growing, but it was still very small compared to the European market. So, after, I guess it was, yeah, it was 2011, I actually had an offer to work at an electric bike motor company. They were doing electric motors for other industries as well, but it was called Motor Excellence in Flagstaff, Arizona. And so, I quit the engineering work and dove into the electric motor company and it was an amazing time. We were able to travel to Eurobike, which is the huge bicycle trade show for the European marketplace, and then we went to another show in Munich, and then a couple of other European trips. And to me, that, it just was amazing, you know? It was so cool to just jump in and see not only the industry but also just to see people riding electric bikes. In Switzerland, it was just, and in Germany, it was just, you could see electric bikes almost everywhere. And, back then in the US, it was very, very few e-bikes on the street. So, it was very inspiring to see that and to see so many different types of people using them too, you know? It was full business suits, business people riding around on their bikes and then there were just people running errands on their bikes, and delivery workers on their e-bikes. So, it was very, very cool. And so, the motor company had some issues and I wasn't able to continue working for them, but it was the point where I said, "All right. Well, this is time for Electric Bike Report to go." And so, I, yeah, I really started to launch the website with full time behind it. And, another good thing was at by that point I'd really developed a lot of good relationships in the industry and was able to find some initial advertisers to support the website and it really took off from there. So, I guess, that's a long-winded answer to how I got into electric bikes, but that's how things have gotten to where they are today.

Purpose Built Electric Bikes Have Evolved

Armando: Pete's e-bike experience started in 2009 when he used a conversion kit to add pedal assistance to a conventional bike. He was trying to replace some of the car trips he was taking every day, but I was curious. In the past ten years has the industry changed enough that he would've considered a purpose-built electric bike? Pete: You know, and there are so many bikes out there now that are just really well dialed-in that I think, in a lot of ways, the complete e-bike makes sense. Although the kit is a good option for people who may have their current bike, if they really enjoy riding, maybe they've ridden it for many, many years and it's a great fit for them, then the kit is a very good way to add assist that way. And then, sometimes, economically it can make sense, but not always. Sometimes, you can get a very expensive kit to have all the bells and whistles, or you can find a more economical kit. But, yeah, there's just so many options out there these days. I think that one of the kits that I recommend to a lot of people that are looking for electric bikes is to try a few different types, the mid-drive, or the hub drive, and really get a feel for what they enjoy. And, in that process by test-driving some e-bikes, they can also, you'll get an idea of like, "Well, do they want the mountain bike style or the commuter bike style, or the cruiser, or what have you?" But, yeah, I think that there's too many options out there right now that I think anybody can find almost the perfect bike for them.

Mid-drive and Hub-drive Motors

Armando: Test rides can be very important. In fact, that's why EVELO offers a ten-day at-home test ride. It was also interesting that Pete had described hub motors and mid-drive motors in the context of enjoying a ride. Often, hub and mid-drive motors are compared based on power at the wheel or the fact that a mid-drive takes advantage of the gears and the mechanical features of the bicycle. So, I asked Pete to describe hub and mid-drive motors based on their ride characteristics. Interestingly, his answer focused a bit on throttles, something that's available on all Class 2 electric bikes including the mid and hub drive models. Pete: You know, for people who, maybe, haven't ridden their bike in a while and are just getting back into riding, the hub motor can be a nice way to just get into it without worrying too much about all the different parts of riding a bike. Just get out there and, in some cases, with a hub drive you can have the pedal assistant and the throttle option. That can be available on a mid-drive, but I think, in general, I'm seeing a lot of hub drives that have both options. And so, that's an advantage for some people. The pedal assist isn't always what somebody may want and I think that the ability to have the throttle to give a little bit of a boost getting through a busy intersection or just a little boost to get over a hill with the throttle can be helpful. And so, I think in a lot of ways the hub drive can be a little more simpler and also have that, generally, have the throttle and pedal assist option. With the mid-drive, that is something that, generally, has very strong hill climbing capabilities. You can climb steeper hills by leveraging the drivetrain. So, much like a car, the engine is being run through the transmission. And so, with the mid-drive, it's basically combining your pedal power and the motor power, and then transmitting that through the bicycle transmission. So, the nice thing about that is you can, you really gear down to climb those steeper hills and the motor can operate efficiently in a good RPM range without really getting bogged down. With some hub motors, if you're climbing very, very steep hills, there could be a tendency for it to bog down a little bit. But, I think that, in a lot of ways, the mid-drive fits somebody who's been accustomed to riding bicycles and really enjoys optimizing their shifting and having that, in some ways, it feels like the motor really combines with your pedal power to provide a proportional assist and give you that nice push of the systems. But, it still feels like you're really doing a lot of the pedaling and contributing to the overall motion.

The Cost of Electric Bikes

Armando: Next, I asked Pete why do electric bikes cost what they do. Pete: Some people get a chance to ride these and understand what they can do. I think that the price starts to make more sense, but to really answer your question I think that the battery is one of the most expensive parts of the electric bike. At this point, it's very hard to get around. There are, I think, still some lead acid systems out there, but those are just so heavy and bulky that I wouldn't recommend it. But, with the lithium batteries, they're definitely the pricey part and we may see some changes in them in the future. I keep seeing news articles pop up and it sounds like there's some technology in the works. But, many times those things don't, either they don't come to market, or it's many, many, many years down the line. So, I think that when, if you were to look at the cost of an electric bicycle, I think if somebody is thinking about a bicycle as, oh, it's just this thing that I use every once in a while, or like a kid's toy, then, yeah, the pricing can seem expensive. But, if you look at it as something that you're going to get out more and if you use it as, say, a commuting, or errand-running vehicle, even if you're not using it all the time for that, the trip that you save from driving all time, that can add up substantially. And then, if you think about the fitness that you get from just getting around by e-bike it's, it may not be as much fitness as, say, like a traditional bike but, in general, I think studies have been showing that people who have electric bikes tend to ride even more than if you were comparing it to a traditional bike. So, it's really a pretty awesome vehicle when you consider how much value it can actually give to your life and just the pure fun of it, you know? I think that's really if somebody just looks at the details and the price of it on paper it is what it is. But, if you go and ride an electric bike and you have a good time, you have fun, and you can start to build that fun into your daily life then that has amazing value. It just needs to be considered when you're talking about the prices of electric bikes because these are one of the most attainable electric vehicles on the market today and they can do so much for you. So, yeah, I guess that's my thoughts on the price point of electric bikes.

Electric Bike Report

Armando: The value Pete is describing and the ease at which he's able to describe it has helped the Electric Bike Report become so successful. So, I asked Pete about his readership and viewership on YouTube and why he thought those subscribers are interested in electric bikes. Pete: Yeah, there's definitely quite a few consumers that are part of the demographic and then there are also quite a few people from the industry. And then, I keep track of the e-mails that sign up for the newsletter and there is a fair amount of, well, there is definitely some auto industry people that I'm seeing sign up and are paying attention to the electric bike market. Because, I think, in their world, things are changing significantly. They are getting into electric bikes, and electric scooters, and just electric mobility in general. So, that's interesting. But, yeah, from the consumer standpoint I have people regularly e-mail me and I think a lot of them are just getting into electric bikes and trying to learn as much as they can, and they're looking to buy a bike for themselves. And then, others are people who already got their bike and are looking for just what's happening. And, the other thing that we're trying to do is provide guides on places for people to ride and just get the ideas flowing as far as what people can do with electric bikes. So, yeah, I'd say there's a pretty broad spectrum of consumers where it's from the person who's just getting into it all the way up to somebody who, maybe, already gone through a couple of the first couple bikes and they're really passionate about electric bikes. So, it's really cool and I think that that's something that I'm really personally enjoying seeing because I grew up with the whole mountain biking buzz. Initially, mountain bikes were the random part of the bicycle industry and now it's really developed very well as its own niche and some really passionate riders. And so, now I see this similar thing happening with electric bikes. And, the thing I really enjoy is that it's not a segment where you have to be in really amazing physical shape. The barrier to entry for electric bikes is lower, and so more people can really enjoy this. And so, I think seeing younger people who are looking at commuting solutions, because the cost and just everything that goes into driving is painful these days. And then, you've got families that are looking for ways to take the kids to school. And then, you've got, maybe, people who are getting close to retirement and looking for something fun and active to do. And then, people who have hit retirement and they've got an RV and they're traveling around and the e-bike is a great way, once they park the RV, the e-bike is a great way for them to get around the campground, or get to the local town, or what have you. And then, also, the part that I really like, too, is getting e-mails from readers who haven't ridden a bicycle in a long time and now they're just getting back into it and they're so excited about it. And, they're just getting out and riding more and seeing more of the places where they live. And, I think that's a really important thing, especially right now where a lot of people are really focused in on the computer, or the smartphone, or what have you. The ability for the electric bike to just set you free, just go out for a ride and just truly enjoy the outdoors. That's a great thing without, I think about it from my personal situation. Generally, when I go out for a good ride I suit up in my gear and I go for a mountain bike ride, but with an e-bike, you can just jump on it and go and just go enjoy the place that you live. And so, the bicycle, for me, is a great way to recenter after a stressful day. It's a great way to just disconnect and to open up your mind to just random thoughts, you know? And, I think, in a lot of ways, these days we are very, it can be very stressful and it can be very intense, like day-to-day life. And, the ability to have a little bit of free thought and just get out and appreciate where you live, it's important, I think. And also, just that outside connection. I try and do that every single day, you know? And, it's something that, I think, people that I know in the bike world, they have that same feeling. There's something rejuvenating about it. I guess, coming around to it there's a wide spectrum of people that read Electric Bike Report and it's, I'm just excited to see the new people who are coming into the electric bike world because I think there's just a ton of room for what we can do with electric bikes. And, that's the exciting part going forward, I think.

The Electric Bike Elevator Pitch

Armando: So, Pete, you're out riding an electric bike. Maybe, you stopped on the trail, maybe you're just chaining up in front of the grocery store and someone asks you about your electric bike. What do you say? What's your elevator pitch for e-bikes? Pete: Well, generally, I say that it really just amplifies your riding. And so, I think that if people talk about the cheating part of it it's like, "Oh, yeah," I laugh about that. But, I think, really, it amplifies everything that you can do with a bicycle. So, it can make you go faster, you can go further, and you can choose to not flood as much if you want to. But, I think, in a lot of ways, it's like a bicycle that can do so much more for you than a traditional bicycle. And so, for some people that can be the commuting and really leaving a car at home many days. It could be running errands, it could be, realistically, taking both kids to school on a bike. It could be starting a business with a delivery bike, you know? With the whole gig economy, DoorDash, these other services, using an electric bike for that could be very reasonable. But, yeah, I think, in a lot of ways, it's just something that can open the door to bicycling for so many other people. And, I think, in a lot of ways, in the US we've focused a lot on the sports, and the racing, and the true fitness part cycling. And, what an electric bike does is it amplifies everything and you can just have fun on it. It doesn't have to be a really hardcore exercise, or whatever. It's just, you can get out, have a good time, and you can do so many things with it. And, I think that some of the other areas that we're going to see people using electric bikes is touring, more adventure riding, exploring old dirt roads, and logging roads, and that kind of thing. And, obviously, the mountain biking part of it is really taking off and even seeing competitive races. There's a lot of different ways that electric bikes are being used. And so, I think that that's the exciting part is that it really turns up what you can do with the bike and who can use the bike. And, that really is, it's exciting because there are so many good reasons to ride a bike and this really adds more to that pile. Armando: Awesome. That was well said. Pete: Thanks.

Electric Bike Reviews

Armando: One of the things you do on the Electric Bike Report is to review bikes. You've, in fact, given EVELO some great reviews. Is there a particular method you use when you review an electric bike? Pete: Sure, yeah. Well, part one is, it's the pictures, and real details, and the specifications of the bike. So, the idea is to really give the reader almost every angle of the bike, so they can really see everything, you know? And, I think that one of the reasons why I go so in-depth on these is because there's not an electric bike store in every city and town in the US, you know? We're not to that point yet. So, and especially if people are doing a lot of research online they may be buying a bicycle before they even get a chance to actually ride it. So, I want to give them every single possible angle on the bike with part one and really let them know all the intricacies of it. And then, in part two it's really the ride characteristics and really going into how the bike fits, what kind of a ride feel it is, you know? Is it a laid back cruiser, or is it a mountain bike, or is it a commuter, or a touring bike? And then, what kind of ride feel is like over rough roads, and then how does the assist work and all the different levels of it? How does it kick in and stop, the transitions? So, really trying to give people an idea of what that's like to really ride the bike. And then, I also do a range test for each bike. So, I have a course and I run the bikes over the course, and I track it with a GPS application. And then, so I show people it went for so many miles and it climbs so many total feet in elevation, so I really break that down. And so, giving them the real range test. And, generally, it's on the hardest pedal assist level, so it's a tough range test and, generally, it's over a couple of thousand feet of climbing. So, anyways, people can really get an idea of the tough range test and if they ride it easier then they'll get more range and that kind of thing. And then, after that, it's the pros and cons and then the overall thoughts. So, it's a little more of a real deep dive into these bikes. And, I generally spend about two weeks with each bike to really get to know them and ride them for many miles. So, yeah. And then, oh, and then I do the video part of it, which is, it's similar to part one where it's really looking at all the details, all the specifications, and everything. So, it's a real overview of the bike. And then, that ties in with part two, which is all the ride characteristics and everything else. Armando: Pete really is one of the most influential electric bike experts in North America and it was a real pleasure talking to him about electric bikes for this episode of the Electric Bike Podcast from EVELO. EVELO is one of the original electric bike makers and we really care about the industry. If you want to learn more about electric bikes please subscribe to this podcast, sign up for the EVELO newsletter, and check out The Complete Electric Bike Buyer's Guide. Now, take care. It's been a pleasure.